504 for College / University

Started by Carefulmom, February 10, 2012, 11:44:16 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

twinturbo

#45
I want to amend this post to underscore that Settlement Agreement with Lesley University regarding food services should really be read in full. Bullet form is easier to read.


  • food allergy and anaphylaxis is specifically named
  • modifications are specified as "reasonable" and must not alter fundamentally
  • suggested modifications include the option to pre-order and deliver
  • agreement includes education of cross-contamination including dedicated areas, kitchen supplies
  • assigns responsibility to ADA/504 coordinator (important)
  • names Dean of Student Life and Services the source to make an appeal to
  • mentions use of contracted vendors used in meal plans
  • cites Title III violations




Unless the free education extends past high school graduation or equivalent, there I'm assuming. Not so? Intriguing question on upper limit so I looked it up. Primary and secondary until 21 defaulting to state law limits.

And while I'm on it one thing bugs me about college choice with FA. FAPE, I think, only has to reach de minimis or barely above it to be satisfied. It's free and appropriate and equalized access, not best possible. Unlike college choices where it's not a civil right to attend freely and there is no de minimis standard, quite the opposite because ideally you're shooting for best possible.

So assuming a prospective student is experiencing access issues before even acting on an acceptance letter and has that chance to start the process with the disability office the civil rights violation has already occurred. That's not a denial of FAPE, it's probably not a violation of the high school student's existing 504 at the student's current school even if it contains college prep accommodations, yet it's an undeniable access violation.

Remember the mention of Venn diagram? It's that stinker of an overlap. What is college dining at that point? Who do you ask for the modifications from and when? Before you're a student there? Take a chance accept then deal with violations while you're dealing with classes? What does a college 504 cover with reasonable ability to enforce outside of curriculum modifications?

What does it mean for someone not even close to majority age to appropriately need college level material? Does graduation or its equivalent mean the government has met its obligation? Anyhow, want to circle back to college choice, accommodations including food services. Full disclosure that I obviously am conjecturing but at least at a public university if the food services are tied to the school or operated by the school I think that Title II is your best shot. In the case that the food service is completely outside the operation of the school or is otherwise considered a public accommodation then Title III. Both are DOJ CRD territory and let's face it they have more enforcement should they decide  to get involved... and they did.

Unless you're at a private religious institution, it qualifies as a religious entity AND it runs its own food services then it's completely exempt. If they contract out to a public accommodation to fulfill its food services then you can take it up with that public accommodation.

So, Beach Girl, I think you'll need more than a 504 to tackle food services even if you get a perfect 504. Not only that but depending how hard you want to fight for the best school academically for yourself, pursue food services even before attendance or initiate now even if your existing 504 is at your high school.

IMHO

twinturbo

#46
Um, small addition to post. Best starting point is really reading Subpart D (primary and secondary schools) and Subpart E (postsecondary schools) for transitioning from FAPE/ IDEA to university programs.

Will follow up with supporting links but the gist is Subpart E of Section 504 really only administers to program accommodations. OCR recommends the college student make further use of Title II, and I assume Title III as well. It really makes what the DOJ work out with Lesley, and why, that much clearer.

And if a university claims there's no 504 available for college, oh yes there is if they are a recipient. They may have that confused with FAPE or IDEA. Even that has exceptions such as adult education for an older student who may not have finished high school that is still within mandatory ages. Arguably that may not be run through university.

Subpart E -- Postsecondary Education. Note it's a little bare but covers activities as well as programs.

CMdeux

Quote from: Macabre on April 03, 2013, 07:58:04 AM
At what point does one age out of FAPE?

It's age 21-- OR the completion of a high school diploma/alternative certificate.

Important to note that 504 for K-12 is not the same thing as a 504 plan for post-secondary education.

In the first instance, the standard is about as high as it gets-- that is, "reasonable" need not apply, zero barrier, full inclusion.  You get the picture, right? 

The second becomes more like a hybrid of "places of public accommodation" and "government services."  The standard is that separate can be more or less equal, and that is fine.  Reasonable is also considered, as is fundamental nature of the program/offering. 

IDEA does not apply in a collegiate setting. 
Resistance isn't futile.  It's voltage divided by current. 


Western U.S.

ajasfolks2

Is this where I blame iPhone and cuss like an old fighter pilot's wife?

**(&%@@&%$^%$#^%$#$*&      LOL!!   

Quick Reply

Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 365 days.
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic.

Name:
Email:
Verification:
Please leave this box empty:
Type the letters shown in the picture
Listen to the letters / Request another image

Type the letters shown in the picture:
Three blonde, blue-eyed siblings are named Suzy, Jack and Bill.  What color hair does the sister have?:
Spell the answer to 6 + 7 =:
Shortcuts: ALT+S post or ALT+P preview