Evidence of peanut proteins in vaccines ??

[SilverLining]

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

100% of people with allergies have consumed dihydrogen.
100% of people with cancer have consumed dihydrogen.

I currently have large, even dangerous amounts of dihydrogen monoxide, in its crystalline form, in my yard.  I need to remove a significant amount, which will be very labor intensive.  But even after I remove what I can, much of it will end up in the ground water.  And I have a well.

We do too and it's in a form that is very hard to remove. It poses a threat to humans, animals and even inanimate objects, even if not ingested. I wish it never appeared.

OMG!  I let my kids go out to play in and with it.  Is there an antidote?

You mean.....like a.....vaccination? 

[Janelle205]

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

100% of people with allergies have consumed dihydrogen.
100% of people with cancer have consumed dihydrogen.

I currently have large, even dangerous amounts of dihydrogen monoxide, in its crystalline form, in my yard.  I need to remove a significant amount, which will be very labor intensive.  But even after I remove what I can, much of it will end up in the ground water.  And I have a well.

We do too and it's in a form that is very hard to remove. It poses a threat to humans, animals and even inanimate objects, even if not ingested. I wish it never appeared.

OMG!  I let my kids go out to play in and with it.  Is there an antidote?

You know, to bring things full circle here...

I think that the antidote is hot cocoa.

[Jessica]

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

100% of people with allergies have consumed dihydrogen.
100% of people with cancer have consumed dihydrogen.

I currently have large, even dangerous amounts of dihydrogen monoxide, in its crystalline form, in my yard.  I need to remove a significant amount, which will be very labor intensive.  But even after I remove what I can, much of it will end up in the ground water.  And I have a well.

We do too and it's in a form that is very hard to remove. It poses a threat to humans, animals and even inanimate objects, even if not ingested. I wish it never appeared.

OMG!  I let my kids go out to play in and with it.  Is there an antidote?

You know, to bring things full circle here...

I think that the antidote is hot cocoa.

despite the seriousness of this whole thread, that made me laugh.

[APV]

it looks like researchers think it may help the body mount a defense against the influenza virus, but not because it induces an allergic response but because it recruits T cells to fight off the virus.

maeve,
They also refer to histamine release by mast cells which is basically an allergic response.

I read that but if you read the rest of that sentence and the whole paragraph, it states that it uses this response to recruit T cells.

I should point out that a) what was linked was not a published study but a letter to the editor and b) the copyright on the link is 10 years old. I have not seen any reporting on further on this subject.


Also, if you're so concerned about peanut and other allergens being used in vaccines (which they're not), why aren't you up in arms about prenatal vitamins of which several varieties contain peanut oil?


Honestly, give it a rest.

maeve,

I also provided a reference from 2012.

Here's another:
Smith-Norowitz TA, Wong D, Kusonruksa M, Norowitz KB, Joks R, Durkin HG, Bluth MH. Long Term Persistence of IgE Anti-Influenza Virus Antibodies in Pediatric and Adult Serum Post Vaccination with Influenza Virus Vaccine. Int J Med Sci 2011; 8(3):239-244. doi:10.7150/ijms.8.239. Available from http://www.medsci.org/v08p0239.htm

"if you're so concerned about peanut and other allergens being used in vaccines (which they're not)"
The CDC begs to differ. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

"why aren't you up in arms about prenatal vitamins of which several varieties contain peanut oil?"
Fundamental difference. Ingestion is not the same as injection. Proteins are broken down into harmless amino acids by digestive enzymes/acids.
Injecting proteins defeats this natural barrier hence the problem.

Dr. John Kelso writes:
"The fact that the skin tests were positive suggests that these were in fact an IgE mediated reactions, perhaps to the viral proteins themselves."
http://www.aaaai.org/ask-the-expert/influenza-vaccine-anaphylaxis.aspx

Not only do people synthesize IgE and develop allergy to injected viral proteins contained in vaccines, Dr. Kelso thinks it can even result in anaphylaxis on subsequent exposure.
When vaccines/injections contaminated with food proteins are injected, do we expect the immune system to magically behave in a different manner?

[ajasfolks2]

it looks like researchers think it may help the body mount a defense against the influenza virus, but not because it induces an allergic response but because it recruits T cells to fight off the virus.

maeve,
They also refer to histamine release by mast cells which is basically an allergic response.

I read that but if you read the rest of that sentence and the whole paragraph, it states that it uses this response to recruit T cells.

I should point out that a) what was linked was not a published study but a letter to the editor and b) the copyright on the link is 10 years old. I have not seen any reporting on further on this subject.


Also, if you're so concerned about peanut and other allergens being used in vaccines (which they're not), why aren't you up in arms about prenatal vitamins of which several varieties contain peanut oil?


Honestly, give it a rest.

maeve,

I also provided a reference from 2012.

Here's another:
Smith-Norowitz TA, Wong D, Kusonruksa M, Norowitz KB, Joks R, Durkin HG, Bluth MH. Long Term Persistence of IgE Anti-Influenza Virus Antibodies in Pediatric and Adult Serum Post Vaccination with Influenza Virus Vaccine. Int J Med Sci 2011; 8(3):239-244. doi:10.7150/ijms.8.239. Available from http://www.medsci.org/v08p0239.htm

"if you're so concerned about peanut and other allergens being used in vaccines (which they're not)"
The CDC begs to differ. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

"why aren't you up in arms about prenatal vitamins of which several varieties contain peanut oil?"
Fundamental difference. Ingestion is not the same as injection. Proteins are broken down into harmless amino acids by digestive enzymes/acids.
Injecting proteins defeats this natural barrier hence the problem.

Dr. John Kelso writes:
"The fact that the skin tests were positive suggests that these were in fact an IgE mediated reactions, perhaps to the viral proteins themselves."
http://www.aaaai.org/ask-the-expert/influenza-vaccine-anaphylaxis.aspx

Not only do people synthesize IgE and develop allergy to injected viral proteins contained in vaccines, Dr. Kelso thinks it can even result in anaphylaxis on subsequent exposure.
When vaccines/injections contaminated with food proteins are injected, do we expect the immune system to magically behave in a different manner?

Highlighting this gem:

Fundamental difference. Ingestion is not the same as injection. Proteins are broken down into harmless amino acids by digestive enzymes/acids.
Injecting proteins defeats this natural barrier hence the problem.

Oh, good grief.   

So, then, using your same "logic" I can now tell my kids that it would be perfectly *safe* to eat their allergens as the proteins that cause their anaphylxis  will be rendered harmless due to the break down into amino acids at the hands of their digestve enzymes?!


I think I need something stronger than cocoa to deal with this stuff today.

Going to go inject myself with caffeine.   

[Macabre]

I was thinking of schnapps to go with the cocoa?

[hedgehog]

I think this thread calls for going straight to the bourbon. 

[eragon]

cant believe this thread is still going on.

please let it die a horrible death, lock jaw would be nice or polio.

[Macabre]

Wait--Hedgie said bourbon. 

I will be all over that.

And it *is* time to send them in.  Death by clown.

Judy Collins Send in the Clowns

[APV]

"So, then, using your same "logic" I can now tell my kids that it would be perfectly *safe* to eat their allergens as the proteins that cause their anaphylxis  will be rendered harmless due to the break down into amino acids at the hands of their digestve enzymes?!"

Sorry, but you don't seem to understand the mechanism of Type I hypersensitivity IgE mediated allergy. Most food allergies fall into this category.
When a protein is injected, your body creates a protein specific immunoglobulin E (IgE). These move via the blood and attach to mast cells in your mouth.
You have now been sensitized (or have developed an allergy). Subsequently, when you place this protein in your mouth, the IgE attaches to the protein and triggers a reaction. This is known as elicitation. As you can see, the digestive enzymes are not involved at all.

[hedgehog]

So explain to me how DS became allergic to peanuts before his vaccinations?

[SilverLining]

APV this example shows the fault in your "research".

http://robertmoorejr.tumblr.com/post/110101466091/im-an-anti-braker

[becca]

SL, there are very funny comments to that post!

[APV]

So explain to me how DS became allergic to peanuts before his vaccinations?

Did he receive the Vitamin K1 shot?

[YouKnowWho]

APV - DD received no vaxes and no Vit K shot and still developed her tree nut allergy.