OAS question

[Macabre]

Mookie, I would interpret that as crossing over. That's definitely more than one body system.  You've got lungs, throat, and nose going.

The one who had a baby last night--she has an apple allergy--has had anaphylaxis from it, if you need support for this allergy at some point.

[Mookie86]

PurpleCat, that's not my issue.  I had my problem with the first bite I took into a whole apple. Thanks, though.

Mac or anyone else, do you think I have to do anything different than I do now? I eat granny smith apples fine, and that's all I will eat. However, I haven't seen a need to check crosscontamination.  I don't have an epipen, either.

[spacecanada]

From the research I did about this, OAS may include mild seasonal allergy type symptoms as well as itchy mouth.  Mookie, you may want to ask an allergist about your reactions.  I would think they are borderline: could be OAS or true allergy. If I were you, I would want to know which since the latter would require Epi.

[CMdeux]

I agree.  Better to know.

[GoingNuts]

Some people find peeling fruit before eating helpful. 

I have OAS to too many fruits and veggies to even list - the only one's that don't bother me raw are berries, citrus, cukes and peppers.  If I'm off my daily Claritin, I can't even eat lettuce.  My choice of raw fruits and veggies expands when I use Claritin, but during allergy season all bets are off.  I joke that I'm better off on a Devil Dog or Ring Ding diet. 

Last summer I really goofed - I forgot my Claritin the night before and ate a plum.  Not good - intense itching, mouth and throat swelling, super clogged ears.  Won't make that mistake again.

[spacecanada]

Well guess what, my food allergies aren't food allergies at all, they are secondary allergies due to OAS -- and they must be some bizarre weirdo type of OAS because everything I have read echoes what you guys have said here about it mostly involving fruits, vegetables, and mostly during pollen season.  And rarely to the level of grade 4-5 anaphylaxis I've had multiple times.  And those reactions happening long before ever having any symptoms of grass/pollen allergies.    The allergist was convinced, and he was nice and knew his stuff, so I have to believe him.  The CFIA website has similar details too, which is why I suspected OAS earlier.

At least this time some things showed up on the SPT: a few trees and grasses.  Apparently my nose is inflamed, so I do have some seasonal allergies this year, though in the mild-moderate category.  But, since my OAS food allergies so severe (anaphylaxis), I am at high risk of developing new OAS food allergies without warning (just bam, here you go, anaphylaxis to potatoes, have fun).  Joy. 

None of the options sound fun: do nothing and have mild-moderate seasonal allergies and a high risk of developing more food allergies (can I even call them food allergies if they are OAS?), take allergy meds daily and be at moderate-high risk of developing more food allergies, or take allergy shots for 5+ years and hope that I will get relief from seasonal allergies (which aren't very bothersome) and possibly be able to eat potato again, and slow/stop the development of more food allergies (but for how long if allergy shots only last two or three years?)  It's likely PN/TN will forever be forbidden due to their long reaction history.  Ugh, the first two options sound awful (who would risk more food allergies?) and the second one just doesn't seem worth it (5+ years of weekly/monthly shots for temporary relief?  Then what? 5+ more years of shots? Lifetime?).  I need to do more research on this.  So confused.  And depressed.     Sorry for the rant. 

But there you have it: OAS can get funky weird without any major/bothersome seasonal allergy symptoms.

[ninjaroll]

That's how I found out about apple, just -- WHAM. Right before it happened I did that thing I do tempting fate wondering how people become allergic apples.

[CMdeux]

spacecanada-- I have two immediate family members who have done immunotherapy-- and DH is still reaping the benefits of having done it THIRTY years ago.

(Not kidding)

He has never had to repeat that immunotherapy.  He very definitely had bad OAS before he did it, and was rapidly developing more food cross-reactivity as a result of his pollen allergies.  Bam-- stopped that in its tracks.

Now, then, there is DD.

DD did six years of immunotherapy for pollens-- and at the end of it, she got some fruits back that she'd lost.  Her allergy symptom control was GREAT-- and her asthma was easier to control, etc. etc.

Now, her OAS was never as severe as DH's had been (his was systemic), but it came BACK after about 4 years off of immunotherapy.  Boo, hiss. 

So we are trying it again.  Might as well, since we're trying molds and pet allergens this time, too.



I don't know-- but if you get to a maintenance dose that allows you to live without fear of ramping up additional food allergies, even if it means a monthly injection, I honestly might count that as worth it.  DD stayed on a maintenance dose a long, long time (2+ years, in the hopes that the therapy would "hold" better)-- so I don't know if she will ever be stable off of immunotherapy the way that her dad is.  Oh well. 

[spacecanada]

CM - that is pretty much what the allergist said: allergy shots work for some better than others.  Some see no relief at all. It takes approximately 1.5-2 years to see results for seasonal allergy relief and three years to get any sort of lasting results. He also said those with severe food allergies due to OAS need a significantly longer time to see reduced reactivity for their OAS foods, thus the 5+ years.  (He said 5-7 years.)  He said we could challenge potato after 4-5 years, and peanuts/nuts after 5-7 years if I want, but cautioned that peanuts and nuts will very likely be life-long and severe due to my reaction history.

I would love to hear others' experiences with OAS and allergy shots if they have them.  PM me if you prefer.  Or post links here.

I guess the fear lies in adding more food allergies if I don't do anything.  I really don't want that to happen.  Life is difficult enough with three major allergens and dairy intolerance.  Cannot start allergy shots until October, so I have plenty of time to ponder this. In the meantime, we are avoiding all foods with anaphylaxis reaction history (pn, tn, potato) and dairy (intolerance) and carrying on per usual.

[hezzier]

DS just finished his weekly allergy shots (2 in each arm).  We are moving onto every two weeks for 3 visits and then onto monthly.  As far a I know, DS does not have OAS, but I have my suspicions...he will not eat melons (and maybe he just doesn't like them).  It's taken years for him to eat watermelon.  I will make him try them again this summer.

The main reason we did the allergy shots was to halt the "allergy march".  Last time DS was tested in IL (testing was maybe 2 yrs ago), he was not allergic to molds.  When he was tested here, the big surprise was that mold was now positive, along with grass, trees, weeds, dust mites...but not dog (bummer, I would have had a valid reason for re-homing the hairy beasts, oh well) and cat.

The allergist was wondering at our last appt if his tree nut allergy was really just bad OAS.  I'm not convinced, but then again, I don't have an M.D. after my name.  We have a follow up next week.  Don't know if there is any testing planned yet, will have to call.

[CMdeux]

Sorry, SC, I guess I never finished that thought!!    What I meant to say was that I know a few people who are on SCIT maintenance for-- well, basically just about forever. 

That is, they'll go in for a monthly maintenance dose every 3-4 weeks and have been doing so for 4, 6, 8 years or more... but it's because (like poor DD, I guess) trying a "course" of therapy just didn't work long term, and they lost ground when off of therapy entirely.

I will say that DD saw some relief about 2y into things.  By 4y, we had really good impact. 

Our reasoning was the same as Hezzier's-- to stop the allergic march and hopefully prevent airway remodeling via allergic asthma over a lifetime.  It definitely has worked out that way for her dad, who never went on to develop asthma in spite of being Atopic with a capital A.


If she had to stay on maintenance for a decade or more-- well, there are worse things.  (Like developing allergies to every kind of fruit, which is kinda in progress at the moment).

[Janelle205]

I did allergy shots from about 15-21.  I still had OAS symptoms after I stopped getting the shots, and my allergies increased in severity and number starting at around 24.

Honestly, allergy shots didn't seem to do much, if anything for my allergies, but it was worth trying, given the severity of my asthma.  I think that there may be some sort of genetic component in my case - both my Mom and my brother have done shots as well, and they did not have success either.

[spacecanada]

Anther question that dawned on me whilst laying in bed last night: If I have an extremely low threshold to my 'faux' food allergies because my immune system is thinking they're pollens or grasses or whatever, isn't injecting those 'real' allergens pretty risky?  I mean, traces of traces here = anaphylaxis.  Contact ingestion = anaphylaxis.  And those are with proteins that are only similar to the ones I'm actually allergies to.  I'm not ready to start injecting myself with even more potent allergens, kwim?  The thought terrifies me.

(The documentation on allergy shots the allergist gave me is useless because it is exclusively about severe seasonal allergies.  There's a warning that some people get anaphylaxis from the shots too.)   

[hezzier]

That's why they start with a low concentration and a low dose and you have to wait for a minimum of 30 minutes before you can leave. 

Our allergist office has a specific area to sit after shots and they are quick to investigate any cough or sneeze.  I, of course, seem to always have a tickle in the back of my throat the days DS gets shots.

[CMdeux]

Well, yeah-- I won't lie to you, DD has had epinephrine drawn for her more than once. 

It's important, if you're a person with anaphylaxis Hx and that kind of threshold, to really, really follow directions well (DD takes a LOT of pharmacology to withstand her immunotherapy regimen, and she goes above and beyond to limit the late-phase reactions-- no hot baths/showers after for 12 hours, no exercise after, etc), and to do immunotherapy with someone who is something of an expert in the area.  Her allergist tweaks her dose (or delays dosing) pretty much ANY time something seems off, the pollen counts are spiking, etc.

We have that going for us-- our allergist IS a guru in immunotherapy protocols, and he is also right next to the emergency room, and he trained at Mt. Sinai.  He's easily one of the smartest MD's I've ever known, and he is also not one bit arrogant.

If any of that were missing, we might well have chosen differently.  My one objection to him/his office is the amount of food in the waiting room.  It's a problem, and it has BEEN a problem throughout the entire decade plus that we've seen him.